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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:23 am 
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OK, in that Truculence vs. Rock the Red thread, I said that I thought Ovechkin would get 50 in 50, 75-80 goals total, and set the record for shots on goal. That was during Game 2 of the regular season.

The injury might throw those last two out the window, but we'll see. 50 in 50 is my big one.

So far, 15 in 15. Scored in his return to the lineup, a 4-2 victory over the Rags.

In truth, I'm down on my favourite team, but there is so much to like about the league right now that it's hard to be too disappointed. The Caps and Hawks better go deep in the playoffs.

I'd love to see Ovie have a goal per game pace in both the regular season and playoffs.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:26 am 
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saskhab wrote:
In truth, I'm down on my favourite team, but there is so much to like about the league right now that it's hard to be too disappointed. The Caps and Hawks better go deep in the playoffs.


Couldn't have said it better myself.


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50 goals in his first 50 games, or a true 50-50?

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50 goals in his first 50 games, or a true 50-50?

I didn't realize there were distinctions. To have that seems ridiculous. 50 goals in 50 games that Ovechkin plays in. To think there's somehow an advantage for players that aren't healthy for each of the first 50 games of the season is ridiculous.

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BoscUlrichIII wrote:
50 goals in his first 50 games, or a true 50-50?

I didn't realize there were distinctions. To have that seems ridiculous. 50 goals in 50 games that Ovechkin plays in. To think there's somehow an advantage for players that aren't healthy for each of the first 50 games of the season is ridiculous.


You mean disadvantage?

Yeah, there's always been a distinction for the 50-50 club. True 50-50 is 50 in your team's first 50 games. It's why Neely, Mogilny and Kurri aren't officially 50-50 guys.

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BoscUlrichIII wrote:
saskhab wrote:
BoscUlrichIII wrote:
50 goals in his first 50 games, or a true 50-50?

I didn't realize there were distinctions. To have that seems ridiculous. 50 goals in 50 games that Ovechkin plays in. To think there's somehow an advantage for players that aren't healthy for each of the first 50 games of the season is ridiculous.


You mean disadvantage?

Yeah, there's always been a distinction for the 50-50 club. True 50-50 is 50 in your team's first 50 games. It's why Neely, Mogilny and Kurri aren't officially 50-50 guys.

No, I meant advantage. As in, it's somehow easier to do it (or less pure) if you have to miss some games due to injury. I had no idea Neely and Kurri weren't considered part of the club, and I didn't even realize Mogilny had scored his first 50 in 50 games (actually 46).

That's the most retarded distinction I've ever seen with hockey stats.

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saskhab wrote:
BoscUlrichIII wrote:
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50 goals in his first 50 games, or a true 50-50?

I didn't realize there were distinctions. To have that seems ridiculous. 50 goals in 50 games that Ovechkin plays in. To think there's somehow an advantage for players that aren't healthy for each of the first 50 games of the season is ridiculous.


You mean disadvantage?

Yeah, there's always been a distinction for the 50-50 club. True 50-50 is 50 in your team's first 50 games. It's why Neely, Mogilny and Kurri aren't officially 50-50 guys.

No, I meant advantage. As in, it's somehow easier to do it (or less pure) if you have to miss some games due to injury. I had no idea Neely and Kurri weren't considered part of the club, and I didn't even realize Mogilny had scored his first 50 in 50 games (actually 46).

That's the most retarded distinction I've ever seen with hockey stats.


Oh shit I see what you mean now, didn't read that carefully enough...

Yeah I have no idea why it is that way and never really agreed with it.

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I believe you guys have had that discussion on here before already, haven't you? :lol:

I don't think there is an official "distinction," since it's not really an official stat in any way, is it?

But I do understand it... when you're playing every night, you're part of the team's grind -- the travel, the back-to-back nights, all the time away from home, etc. The only reason "50 in 50" matters at all is because of the "Holy shit! He hasn't slowed down yet this season!" factor as the season progresses. It's not really relevant beyond the fact that it's sort of cool for that reason, and an injured player, through no fault of his own, isn't following the same pattern (and may also be more rested, for whatever it's worth).

It's for the same reason why a guy who scores 50 goals in the final 25 games of one season and the first 25 of the next will be equally ignored, even though he has hit 50 in 50. It's really no less remarkable, but it lacks that doing-it-uninterrupted-from-the-start element. Or a guy who scores 10 goals in two sets of four consecutive games (with one game of zero in between) will get ignored relative to the guy on an 8-game goal scoring streak with 8 goals.

None of the distinctions really matter beyond their actual contribution to the season, they are just noted for fun more than anything.

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It is an official distinction, as kept in the NHL Record Book (or whatever it's called). They do keep track of these accomplishments officially, and they've made some puritan ruling on it by the sounds of things.

So Ovechkin would have to get 50 in 44 (assuming he doesn't miss any more games) to officially join the club.

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