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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:13 pm 
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Nucks Aquire Ekman-Larsson, and Garland from Cototes for 9th pick and three players, Ericson Beagle and Roussel.

https://www.tsn.ca/canucks-to-acquire-o ... -1.1672019

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:11 pm 
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The Canucks dump $12M and three totally useless players (Beagle, Roussel, an Loui frickin' Eriksson) to Coyote wasteland for Conor Garland and OEL. Yotes retain $1M of OEL's $8.25M annual contract. Short term gain for long term pain I guess. I wonder if they move on Nate Schmidt too.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:23 pm 
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Petey/Hughes/Garland need new contracts now. Boeser needs a raise next summer. Horvat and Miller are UFAs in two years, while Höglander will also need a new deal. This excellent core will get expensive... building Cup quality supporting cast for cheap won't be easy w/o ELC help. - Boy Wonder


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:54 am 
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This was a ludicrously dumb trade to take on OEL's contract.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:51 pm 
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If OEL somehow finds his form again, this is a good deal for the Canucks...if he doesn't that's one hell of a boat anchor on your blueline there.

Garland is a good player, depth two-way winger who scraps like hell, but his size limits his effectiveness. Had some really comical moments with Landeskog and MacKinnon, who don't care for the guy at all. :lol: Would've been HILARIOUS had the Avs, who reportedly had interest, signed him and also retained Landeskog.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:59 pm 
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If OEL somehow finds his form again, this is a good deal for the Canucks...if he doesn't that's one hell of a boat anchor on your blueline there.

In thinking about this over the weekend, I came to the same conclusion.

They got rid of $12M of dead cap allocation in the AHL (Eriksson), and the pressbox/infirmary (Beagle, Roussel) - contracts that couldn't crack the lineup for $8.26M (about $7.26M in real cap hit to Vancouver) x 6 years of OEL. They threw in a 2022 2nd rounder and a 2023 7th rounder for good measure. I think this saves them more than $3.74M in salary because they actually get a player who can play D in their Top 6 (barring injury).

They traded this year's 9OA who turned out to be Dylan Guenther (I think GMJB had his hopes set on Kent Johnson or Brandt Clarke) for Conor Garland. Given the inconsistencies of GMJB's first round picks (Virtanen, Juolevi vs. Petterson, Hughes - Podkolzin has yet to play), I see this as good trade for both sides.

So if OEL sucks mightily, GMJB is as good as gone. He's basically rolling the dice on OEL returning to Top 4 form (if not Top pairing defenseman) who can take the tougher matchups from Huggy. Playing against the other teams' second unit will only help Huggy and GMJB still has to re-sign Huggy and Petterson, as well as RFAs Garland, and Dickinson among others, and find two RDs...

JTMiller/Petterson/Boeser
Pearson/Horvat/Garland
Podkolzin/Dickinson/Hoglander
Motte/warm body/warm body

OEL/Myers
Huggy/(possibly Hamonic)
Rathbone/Schmidt

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:12 pm 
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OEL-Myers as the top pairing...?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:17 pm 
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OEL-Myers as the top pairing...?

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Garland signs: five years, 4.95M AAV.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:09 pm 
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Aand OEL is getting bought out. About US$40M for two seasons. Gee, who could possibly have seen this deal being a disaster?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:22 pm 
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Good on the Nucks for biting the bullet on this. With OEL gone and soon Myers, they can finally build a real defence.

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I hate this. Short term gain but long term pain. It means OEL is going to be on the books for 8 years, instead of 4 years at 7.2 million. If you believe this team can be turned into a cup contender in the next couple years this may make sense, if you're like me and think they are years away and need to clean up problems and add prospects then this more of the same stupid shite they always do.

2022-23: $146,667
2023-24: $2,346,667
2024-25: $4,766,667
2024-25: $4,766,667
2025-26: $2,126,667
2026-27: $2,126,667
2027-28: $2,126,667
2028-29: $2,126,667

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:37 pm 
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I think the hope is the cap will substantially increase in the coming years, making the 2M hit seem not so bad by comparison.

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E.L. wrote:
I think the hope is the cap will substantially increase in the coming years, making the 2M hit seem not so bad by comparison.


Agreed but you want to use that cap space on real assets to help win a cup. Cap space needs to be managed with consideration for immediate future, intermediate and the long term. I'm quite sure whoever is managing 5-8 years from now would like to have that $2.2 million to play with. They are effectively borrowing from their future, which is okay if you have a shot at the cup............this team simply does not have that opportunity right now.

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I kinda like it. Admit your mistakes and move on, and this was a monumental mistake.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:40 pm 
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Would he be worth it as like a 3rd pairing guy? Or a PP specialist? Asking for a friend's team.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:07 pm 
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Pokecheque wrote:
I kinda like it. Admit your mistakes and move on, and this was a monumental mistake.

Agreed. Blame it on the last administration and move on.

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Would he be worth it as like a 3rd pairing guy? Or a PP specialist? Asking for a friend's team.

3rd pairing that maybe gets 8-10 minutes a game, perhaps. Just don't pay him more than a replacement player. PP specialist - no, he can't walk the line and a pylon at least can get in your way now and again. Tell your friend's team to stay away.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:42 pm 
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You know I'm going to be almost 73 when OEL's cap hit finally expires. If I'm lucky to be alive. And to think Vince Dunn was available for a third round draft pick when Benning coughed up the first rounder. And second rounder in 2022 as well as a seventh this draft.


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I think my biggest fear here is that the Nucks are going to use this $7 million this year to acquire FA's for a playoff spot. They maxed their cap last year and didn't make the playoffs, that is bad management. Their history of cap management for a decade has been horrible, and I don't trust them to use this space wisely.

This could be a very good thing. There are a lot of teams this year looking to off load high cap, low production players to gain some flexibility. If the Nucks use the room for that to pick up a bad player with one year left on their contract and gain picks or prospects this is a smart play. Then they'll have room next year to sigh EP40, Hronek and the rest of their players (next year will be difficult otherwise). Based on their history though (mostly Benning's) there is no reason to trust this organization to plan a year or more ahead, they always find a way to manage just for the needs of the upcoming season.

So I'm doubtful, only time will tell.

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https://canucksarmy.com/news/the-canuck ... t-spend-it

Canuck's army with a good article on making use of their new cap space. The idea is that for this year in particular, there are a lot of teams up against the cap with little room to maneuver in filling their roster out for a cup run. That makes cap space far more valuable than in the past and future and the Nucks should max out the returns on their space.

Doing this would completely change how I feel about the teams senior management. But if I was betting, I'd definitely bet against them doing the smart thing.

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