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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:08 am 
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We're doing really badly at securing a good lottery pick

:doh: 9-4... WTF?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:11 am 
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We're doing really badly at securing a good lottery pick

:doh: 9-4... WTF?

Yeah, you guys were being ridiculously dramatic about how shitty your team was after one year of a lousy fit at coach. You aren't even close to a lotto team in quality. You're much closer and more likely a playoff team.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:30 am 
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My biggest concern was whether the Sedins still had something left in the tank. With no strong blue chip prospects anywhere near close to picking up the slack offensively, off-loading their best goal-scorer and two-way player from last season, and nothing but question marks on the back end, it isn't totally without basis.

9-4 is very good, but I believe under Torts, they were 8-5-1 around the same time last season before the wheels fell. It's been noted that one positive that came from the Torts era was to completely lower our expectations during this rebuild.


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the Cunning Linguist wrote:
My biggest concern was whether the Sedins still had something left in the tank. With no strong blue chip prospects anywhere near close to picking up the slack offensively, off-loading their best goal-scorer and two-way player from last season, and nothing but question marks on the back end, it isn't totally without basis.

9-4 is very good, but I believe under Torts, they were 8-5-1 around the same time last season before the wheels fell. It's been noted that one positive that came from the Torts era was to completely lower our expectations during this rebuild.


Exactly right, the team had 17 points vs. 18 last year. Its a long season. The upcoming three games in Cali will give a pretty good indicator if this team is okay.

I have however been pretty impressed that they're are getting goals from everywhere. However Bonino's numbers are completely unsustainable, he's been having an immense amount of puck luck.

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The upcoming three games in Cali will give a pretty good indicator if this team is okay.


Yeah playing on the road against 3 of the best teams in the league should give us a good indication. if we do well I'm afraid I'm going to start getting excited! I've been surprised how well Miller has done.


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Seriously, is there a better porn-'stache in the league than Bonino's?



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:56 am 
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So with this evening's last millisecond heroics, the Cannots can do no worse than .500 on this road trip.

Color me :bandwagon:

I'm still concerned about the d. Stanton returned just in time. BXA and Hamhuis are struggling. And Edler looks revitalized playing alongside Tanev. If Tanev were to ever go down...

They had no business being in this game it seems: http://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.ph ... game=20196

On a positive note, Bonino was 70% and Hank was 61% in the face off circle...


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This is a major one for Benning/Linden, they've chosen to keep Horvat in the NHL rather than send him back to junior. Hopefully they'll release him for the World Juniors

http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2014/11/25/its-okay-to-get-a-bo-horvat-jersey-now-canucks-confirm-hes-staying-in-vancouver/

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That said, the importance of faceoffs is usually overstated, but Horvat is contributing beyond just the faceoff circle. He currently has the lowest offensive zone start percentage on the team, as he starts the majority of his shifts in the defensive zone. Despite that, the Canucks have actually out-shot their opposition with Horvat on the ice. He currently has the lowest offensive zone start percentage on the team, as he starts the majority of his shifts in the defensive zone. Despite that, the Canucks have actually out-shot their opposition with Horvat on the ice.

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Tanev signs a five year extension!

http://bit.ly/1xeA8E8



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Great news, now lets trade him.

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Great news, now lets trade him.

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Great news, now lets trade him.

???



I really like Tanev but I have doubts about his durability. He makes very smart plays but a good part of that is because he hangs onto the puck so long giving him the extra time but the checks he endures for doing that have to take a toll. Add to that the tremendous amount of shots he blocks and that he's not a real big guy and I just don't see his body standing up over time.

Don't get me wrong though, 5 years at $4.45 mil is very good value even if he only plays 60 games a year I'll be pretty happy with that

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The amount of hits Tanev takes is a bit overblown because Vancouver overcounts. You limit it to road hits and Tanev is still high, but not beyond guys like Seidenberg or Niskanen or Alzner or Muzzin.

He also doesn't throw hits himself, unlike some of those others. So I don't think the injury risk is particularly high. He's also an elite penalty drawer for a D as a result, which results in real goals.

I'd say the blocked shots are a way bigger risk for his health than physical play is, but even there we know guys seem to get through this. Maybe at 30 he'll be a bit banged up but that's quite a ways into the deal. You can Josh Gorges him when that time comes.

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Fogghorn wrote:
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Kelser for very little, Garrison dumped for a 2nd round pick, trade a 3rd to the Rangers for Derek Dorsett (1yr @ $1.65 million)

That last one may be the most puzzling of all.

:fffffuck:

What were you hoping they'd get when he had 2 teams to deal with? I'm just happy they got something done.
Dorsett has played for Willie before so obviously he knows what he's getting. Garrison trade irks me mostly because I went back last year and wanted to get a jersey with a local boys name on it. Unfortunately Santo was sold out so I went with Garrison. :doh:


To me if a team requests a player with an NTC be traded, then if the players submits a list of 1 or 2 like Garrison it's completely reasonable. However if a player says I'm unhappy and want a trade to 1 or 2 you tell him to suit up and quit sulking or submit a list with a dozen teams. He's initiating the trade and he should be willing to facilitate it.

However rumours are flying out of the Canucks now that Kesler was pretty much despised in the dressing room. This I did not know about. If so then they were actually stuck and had to move him in that case the returns are not that bad. I still would have preferred just their #10 pick and keep everything else but oh well.

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/irwin-r ... ler-trade/

Here's a nice review of the trade, one year later. To sum up, the Canucks looks like they were on the right side of the trade, while the Ducks might have been better off keeping Bonino, Perrault and the first than taking Kesler who seems to only help on Special Teams.

It was a very gratifying read as I was one of the ones lamenting the miserable return on investment at that time. Of course, that paved the way to acquiring one Radim Vrbata. Well done, JB/TL. Well done.


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the Cunning Linguist wrote:
Fogghorn wrote:
CanuckinOz wrote:
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Kelser for very little, Garrison dumped for a 2nd round pick, trade a 3rd to the Rangers for Derek Dorsett (1yr @ $1.65 million)

That last one may be the most puzzling of all.

:fffffuck:

What were you hoping they'd get when he had 2 teams to deal with? I'm just happy they got something done.
Dorsett has played for Willie before so obviously he knows what he's getting. Garrison trade irks me mostly because I went back last year and wanted to get a jersey with a local boys name on it. Unfortunately Santo was sold out so I went with Garrison. :doh:


To me if a team requests a player with an NTC be traded, then if the players submits a list of 1 or 2 like Garrison it's completely reasonable. However if a player says I'm unhappy and want a trade to 1 or 2 you tell him to suit up and quit sulking or submit a list with a dozen teams. He's initiating the trade and he should be willing to facilitate it.

However rumours are flying out of the Canucks now that Kesler was pretty much despised in the dressing room. This I did not know about. If so then they were actually stuck and had to move him in that case the returns are not that bad. I still would have preferred just their #10 pick and keep everything else but oh well.

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/irwin-r ... ler-trade/

Here's a nice review of the trade, one year later. To sum up, the Canucks looks like they were on the right side of the trade, while the Ducks might have been better off keeping Bonino, Perrault and the first than taking Kesler who seems to only help on Special Teams.

It was a very gratifying read as I was one of the ones lamenting the miserable return on investment at that time. Of course, that paved the way to acquiring one Radim Vrbata. Well done, JB/TL. Well done.


I like how the author doesn't mention the damage being inflicted by Sbisa.............and omg they've just signed him and Dorsett to multi year extensions. $2.65 mil a year for four years for Dorsett? :shock: :cry:

He's been the worst forward on the team this year, there are AHL options coming up who need that spot. I do not get either of these signings unless they are just ego and Benning unwilling to own up to his mistakes.

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http://canucksarmy.com/2015/4/8/canucks-sign-derek-dorsett-luca-sbisa-to-multi-year-contract-extensions

$3.6 mil a year for a #6 dman? Is it too soon to replace Linden/Benning yet?

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http://canucksarmy.com/2015/4/8/canucks-sign-derek-dorsett-luca-sbisa-to-multi-year-contract-extensions

$3.6 mil a year for a #6 dman? Is it too soon to replace Linden/Benning yet?


I get the Dorsett extension, even though the bargain bin is chock full of players like him, but what the FUCK are they thinking with Sbisa? That's Nolan Baumgartner territory right there. And I'm talking Baumgartner-in-Philly, not Vancouver.


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I can live with the Dorsett signing and it being an overpayment, but the Sbisa signing is just inexplicable. I hope he has a plan to dump Miller in this summer.


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I can live with the Dorsett signing and it being an overpayment, but the Sbisa signing is just inexplicable. I hope he has a plan to dump Miller in this summer.


Dorsett is not worth more money than Higgins or Hansen. And even the money does not bother me as much as the term. 4 years is nuts for a player of his type at 28 years of age. His most likely projection is sitting in the press box or through waivers in two years. When I look at his contracts for Miller, Dorsett, Sbisa and the choice of Virtanen and McCann at the draft it seems Benning has pretty much zero regard for advanced stats.

Grenier, Guance, Shinkaruk, Kenins, Baertschi are all poised to make the Canucks next season and perhaps Virtanen as well. And there are so, so many possibilities coming in the next two or three years for dmen with Corrado and Clendening likely for next season. Dorsett's and Sbisa's spots should have had new rookie penciled in for 2015-16

Vrbata was a good contract, right term, right money and same with Tanev, I'll give Benning credit for that. But how they are going to resign Richardson, Weber and Mathias with those three other millstone contracts on the books? I guess Jim is counting on cheap rookies but I'd rather have saved the money for Weber and Mathias. And btw how about Weber, what a shocking surprise he has turned out to be, thought he was destined for a career as an NHL 7th dman at best.

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And Harrison Mooney with a nice piece doing a better job than I, of explaining why its reasonable to distrust Canuck's management.

http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2015/04/09/overpayments-to-sbisa-dorsett-are-enough-to-make-one-distrustful-of-entire-canucks-front-office/

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