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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:48 am 
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The contagion is spreading.



Boxscore: http://theahl.com/stats/official-game-r ... id=1012150

Utica up 5-2 with 1:30 to go, proceeds to give up three unanswered (2 shorthanded) and loses in OT.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:54 pm 
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Gillis fired. So it begins.

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=713441

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:28 pm 
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See, I'm not so sure about that. Case in point:

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Ferraro "I've been told by various sources (some pretty good ones) that ownership was heavily involved in the Torts hiring"


Why should a GM who didn't want Torts in the first place (allegedly) be fired because of his failures? I get that Gillis has royally screwed things up here, but I don't think they should be chained together as a result of this disastrous season.

If anything, when ownership is interceding like this, it just indicates they've lost faith in the GM. And if that's the case, they should just get rid of him if they're not going to let him do his job.


http://blogs.theprovince.com/2014/04/08 ... heir-wish/

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The Aquilinis have sent legal letters to two local media members, requesting a retraction and apology for suggesting ownership had a significant role in hiring John Tortorella. (for disclosure sake, I’m not one of them)

A libel notice must be sent within six weeks of an alleged libellous statement, and is the first step if you want to sue a publisher for libel.

In writing, you need to let the author know you believe you have been libelled.

In this particular case, the Aquilinis claim the reports, one of which says Tortorella was hired by consensus, were erroneous and Tortorella was their general manager’s choice, and one which they backed.

They also claim that by writing they had a prominent role in the hiring it was designed to “incite ridicule for making bad or embarrassing judgments.”


Neither writer or publication, as of this date, are planning a retraction or apology and both stand by their stories.

I would think this would be an extremely difficult case for the Canucks’ owners to win because, well, they are the owners and they write Tortorella’s cheques, so at some point, legally they hired the coach.

Reports the Aquilinis were “heavily involved” in the hiring process date back to before Tortorella got the job in late June. Those who wrote about the Aquilinis involvement did not start hearing from the owners until the season spun out into a disaster.

It’s been widely acknowledged that the Aquilinis were even present during the actual interviews between management and Tortorella, and that’s something the coach recently discussed.

The undercurrent of the Aquilinis argument strikes me as amazing.

The idea being whomever hired Tortorella is open to ridicule for making bad or embarrassing judgments is quite the claim by the organization.

What does that say about the coach?

I would love to see this one go to court.


:lol: :lol: Fuck, what a shit show.

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Why in hell is Jay effin' Feaster's name coming up?

So if they're truly blowing it up, it probably makes sense to get rid of the scouting/development staff as well--obviously they didn't perform up to expectations either.


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Why in hell is Jay effin' Feaster's name coming up?


Gotta be a joke.

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Av-merican wrote:
Why in hell is Jay effin' Feaster's name coming up?

So if they're truly blowing it up, it probably makes sense to get rid of the scouting/development staff as well--obviously they didn't perform up to expectations either.


Perhaps, but Gillis and Nonis before him managed to trade away a lot of their 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders, plus Grabner and a 1st and Connauton and Schneider and Raymond. The problem as I see it with this team is there is a significant gap between the very good 30 years of age plus group and the under 24 group. The team has developed Edler, Hansen and Lack in the 24-30 year age range and that's not enough to replace the aging corp the team has. That's on Gillis as he said right at the very beginning the team was shallow in the farm system and he intended to correct that but really just doing nothing and hanging on to picks would have been better than what he has done.

So is the team bad at drafting? They're not good but probably pretty average, its the lack of picks that's more damaging then anything else imo and probably the biggest reason I wanted Gillis gone. His failure to find, develop and keep players has left a large whole in the team demographics that I'm afraid can only be corrected by tanking again next year or trading some senior players away.

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I wonder how many of these bad decisions are the result of ownership intervention? :psyduck:

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I wonder how many of these bad decisions are the result of ownership intervention? :psyduck:


I think we'll get a better idea of that with the next GM hiring. If it turns out to be Feaster and Torts next season then we'll clearly know.

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So...Linden, eh? May as well.

Fucking Dreger was on NHL Network tonight and one of the first things he did was downplay Gillis's role. "He inherited a VERY good team from GM Dave Nonis." :roll:

Look, it was a good team, but VERY good? Wouldn't go that far. Gillis deserves a ton of credit for changing the complexion of that team.

http://canucksarmy.com/2014/4/8/how-wil ... remembered

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Yes, the Sedin twins, Ryan Kesler, Cory Schneider, Roberto Luongo, Kevin Bieksa and Alex Edler were Canucks assets when Gillis took over. But the Canucks were a one-dimensional team that was impossibly, unsustainably reliant on stellar goaltending. In Dave Nonis' final season the Canucks were a bottom-10 puck possession team, and a bottom-10 offensive team. They hadn't outscored their opponents at even-strength that season despite a .925 save percentage...

The talent was there when Gillis arrived, but where the Nonis era was characterized by truly woeful supporting pieces - Byron Ritchie: power-play quarterback, Marc Chouinard: faceoff specialist, Brad Isbister: burgeoning power forward - the Gillis era came to be epitomized by the now deposed executive's ability to find value on the scrap heap.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:18 am 
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At least there is hope that the shit show ends with the hiring of a new GM.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:57 pm 
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At least there is hope that the shit show ends with the hiring of a new GM.


Not so sure about that. The way the Aquilinis have handled this mess--especially the way they've gone after the press--has been less than exemplary.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/h ... e17896821/

Anyway, it's official. I would think Linden would never have taken the position if it was just a figurehead role. Wonder who he'll pick as GM. I can't imagine Feaster is his guy, even though he appears to be Aquilini's favorite.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:37 pm 
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Interesting for sure.

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Saint Trevor is the President, I should be excited but I've got mixed feelings. On the one hand his not being part of the team for 6 years because Gillis had problems with him in his time as NHLPA Prez always bothered me. He should always be a Canuck. Hands down the most popular and well thought of individual not just among Canuck's fans but among everyone within the province of BC. My ambivalence comes from recognition that the day is likely to come when I'm highly critical of the job Trevor is doing. And that is tantamount to chimps throwing feces at mother Theresa. It just isn't right. Part of me would rather have him stay away from the Canuck's so I can always think of him exactly as I do now but he's back so I hope he makes the best of it.

Well best of luck Trevor, please recognize the team has problems and don't desperately grasp for the playoffs for the next two years and then be faced with a huge long term rebuild. Use the goodwill you've built up to weather a short two maybe three year rebuild and build with the next 10 years in mind not just making the 2015 and 2016 playoffs.

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If he does it like John Davidson does it--hires a good GM, sets the general course/direction for the team, but stays in a mostly ambassadorial role--then things will go great. If he does it like Pat LaFontaine did it--tries to hire a puppet GM, then bails when he gets countermanded--then it'll be a disaster.


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Av-merican wrote:
If he does it like John Davidson does it--hires a good GM, sets the general course/direction for the team, but stays in a mostly ambassadorial role--then things will go great. If he does it like Pat LaFontaine did it--tries to hire a puppet GM, then bails when he gets countermanded--then it'll be a disaster.


We really don't know public figures but if there was ever a public figure that I'd actually feel comfortable saying "I know" him it would be Trevor. He really comes across as an individual who believes in respecting and valuing the opinion of others and someone interested in consensus and sharing power, not someone who wants control for the sake of power or ego.

As such I think he'll look to surround himself with good people and just set the agenda and let them execute. And like I said I hope that's a 5 to 10 year plan and not a 1 to 2 year plan.

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Really? WTF!!!

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It doesn’t appear that communicating with the media is a particular strength for Francesco and that reputation isn’t aided by the text message he sent to a Globe and Mail reporter prior to sending a legal letter alleging defamation.

“I read your article,” read the text message, “You are a prick.” (These are the sorts of messages we get from our most unhinged readers. To think one of them owns the Canucks… yikes.)

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Sometimes rich people act childish. Oh well.

This is precisely why he should hire a Prez--let that guy be the public face and go into hiding. It's what I would do.


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Sometimes rich people act childish. Oh well.

This is precisely why he should hire a Prez--let that guy be the public face and go into hiding. It's what I would do.


Actually I suspect you wouldn't. Think about this, you've just won the billionaire lottery and pick up the AV-s for $500 million and put the rest into bonds and can sit back and live on the $25 million a year interest generated from bonds. You're set for life but you own your favorite hockey team and can now be the ultimate fan, attending every game, and sitting in on every meeting. Besides inviting Harmfuljay to your luxury suite for a game once a year and being an uber fan you really think that's all you would do with your ownership? you don't think you're going to have questions for your staff about why they do what they do? About why they're not making use of analytics about why some veteran dman with astoundingly negative goal differential gets played ahead of some young player that the coach doesn't trust?

I think you'd have to give up being a fan or move to some tropical island with no internet to be able to restrain yourself. This is the problem for a lot of owners in many sports. They're fans 1st, and owning a club is the ultimate toy for a rich boys. It's not a typical business where they are able to stay more detached and objective about it strictly as business. Which is okay, I'd rather have a deep pockets owner like Illitich willing to throw money at his franchise that a chitnzy one like old man Wirtz was who just about destroyed Chicago because to him it was all about the business and eking out every penny he could. Give me Mark Cuban any day over that.

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