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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:51 pm 
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Yeah Leafs need to wait out on Phaneuf. Off season, next TDL, or never but they can't take a 2million hit on the guy for that many years after he is gone.

i don't think they have to take on 2m for the entirety of the deal, do they? if it helps move him for the next two years, i think toronto can swallow that. after that the cap goes up and the other team should take full responsibility.

that or take their bad contract (weiss, 3 more years). i wouldn't ever give a team a 2m discount for the whole term.


If you're going to keep salary, have to average it out over the length of the deal, basically.

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Getting ton of questions about retaining salary. You can only retain an even amount of the cap hit throughout remainder of a deal.

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You can't retain $2-million in first two years and then only $1-million after that, in other words. It's not a flexible manoeuvre.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:09 pm 
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So then take their bad deal back (Weiss) and get out of the money as soon as you can.

But seems like with Zidlicky now in Detroit Phaneuf isn't in the cards today. Revisit in June I guess.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:48 pm 
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Oh, the Dion has 6 years left, not 5.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:30 pm 
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The Olli Jokinen Era in Toronto is over. Off to St-Loo.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:42 pm 
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Toronto getting draft picks for players is funny, because they fucking suck turning draft picks into NHL players.

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Future assets still remain something of a problem. If you're familiar with my opinions on Dave Morrison - I think after Randy Carlyle and Dave Nonis he's the man most responsible for the current plight of the Maple Leafs - then you know that his drafting record since 2007 is astoundingly poor. Luke Schenn, Nazem Kadri, Morgan Rielly. That's the sum total of Leaf-drafted players developed into NHLers since that 2007 class. And it's not like they happened to trade away a whole bunch of guys that then blossomed into pros; that list consists of 2008 pick Jimmy Hayes. Four pros in seven years. That's atrocious, even when you discount for the draft picks traded in that span. (Picks that it should be pointed out were turned into Mikhail Grabovski, Schenn, Phil Kessel, Peter Holland, Bernier, among others).

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:13 pm 
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Dave Nonis must be pleased with himself right now for getting this guy.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:13 am 
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So apparently a tweet joking about Lupul banging Phaneuf's wife (who I'm only now just remembering is Elisha Cuthbert) made it onto TSN's trade deadline broadcast. Great job, editing team.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:50 am 
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Word is that Nonis was asking for Mantha. Wasn't going to happen.

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Dreger "a couple of teams had serious trade negotiations [RE Lupul]. Discussed framework & what players it would take"

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Dreger "I don't know the exact details of what Tor was looking for, but I was told it was a 1st rnd pick & either Mantha or a like prospect"


:lol: Lupul can be a good player when he's healthy, but you never know when/if that is. For 4 year at a $5.25 mil cap hit? No way is he bringing in that package.

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Dreger "to make a Polak deal I think the Leafs needed to at least get a 1st rnd pick & something else to have it make sense"



The Leafs might have been able to get some more deals done if their expectations hadn't been over the fucking moon.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:07 pm 
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Toronto getting draft picks for players is funny, because they fucking suck turning draft picks into NHL players.

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Future assets still remain something of a problem. If you're familiar with my opinions on Dave Morrison - I think after Randy Carlyle and Dave Nonis he's the man most responsible for the current plight of the Maple Leafs - then you know that his drafting record since 2007 is astoundingly poor. Luke Schenn, Nazem Kadri, Morgan Rielly. That's the sum total of Leaf-drafted players developed into NHLers since that 2007 class. And it's not like they happened to trade away a whole bunch of guys that then blossomed into pros; that list consists of 2008 pick Jimmy Hayes. Four pros in seven years. That's atrocious, even when you discount for the draft picks traded in that span. (Picks that it should be pointed out were turned into Mikhail Grabovski, Schenn, Phil Kessel, Peter Holland, Bernier, among others).


Not many later round guys make the NHL jump till they are a bit older. Yeah the 2007-2010 drafts you can pretty much right off but too soon to say nothing was found later round since then and how many of the same guys are making those picks today anyway?

There was no rush to move the guys they didn't move as they are still under contract and unlike the Sabres and some of their moves none of them are hurting the tank at this point. Well maybe Phaneuf as they have won a few since he came back...


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:12 pm 
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Hounsy wrote:
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Toronto getting draft picks for players is funny, because they fucking suck turning draft picks into NHL players.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/ ... eir-lesson

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Future assets still remain something of a problem. If you're familiar with my opinions on Dave Morrison - I think after Randy Carlyle and Dave Nonis he's the man most responsible for the current plight of the Maple Leafs - then you know that his drafting record since 2007 is astoundingly poor. Luke Schenn, Nazem Kadri, Morgan Rielly. That's the sum total of Leaf-drafted players developed into NHLers since that 2007 class. And it's not like they happened to trade away a whole bunch of guys that then blossomed into pros; that list consists of 2008 pick Jimmy Hayes. Four pros in seven years. That's atrocious, even when you discount for the draft picks traded in that span. (Picks that it should be pointed out were turned into Mikhail Grabovski, Schenn, Phil Kessel, Peter Holland, Bernier, among others).


Not many later round guys make the NHL jump till they are a bit older. Yeah the 2007-2010 drafts you can pretty much right off but too soon to say nothing was found later round since then and how many of the same guys are making those picks today anyway?

There was no rush to move the guys they didn't move as they are still under contract and unlike the Sabres and some of their moves none of them are hurting the tank at this point. Well maybe Phaneuf as they have won a few since he came back...


Dave Morrison, the guy in charge since 2007, is still in charge of amateur scouting. You hope that they can improve on their draft record with the extra picks, that's for sure.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:38 pm 
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I'll never forget Kypreos a few years back talking about Kessel. He didn't want to say Kessel was flat-out retarded, but the conversation was heading in that direction and whoever else on the broadcast was suggesting Phil was a simpleton incapable of handling directions or pressure. Kipper's response? "Look, the thing with Phil is that... [pause] he really just loves hockey."


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The Leafs are declaring a war against the media it seems.

https://twitter.com/JLupul/status/572815868566097920

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:45 pm 
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That is no way to treat your co-workers.


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Can't help but wonder since it looks like the last vestiges of the Burke Era appear to be getting swept under the rug, was his plan doomed from the start, or was there a chance it could work? The trade for Kessel wasn't necessaily a bad one, even though it yielded far higher first rounders than he had ever envisioned (no matter how much he blusters to the contrary) they still got an elite scoring winger, who has proven he can put up solid numbers despite having a outright lousy supporting cast.

The failure seems to have manifested in nearly every move he made after that. And boy, there were a lot of them. Signing Komisarek and Armstrong, signing Bozak, signing "The Monster," trading up for and then drafting Tyler Biggs, so on and so forth. Trading for Phaneuf appears to have been a good move as well, but again, they failed to build a good defense around him.

If, perhaps, Burke had succeeded in nailing down a halfway decent center, a worthwhile goalie, and maybe a decent depth defender he may have at least bought himself some time. Kind of amazing, looking back, how horrible a job he did in those respects. Remember, Burke was the guy who said following his tenure in Vancouver that he'd never be "short" on goaltending ever again.

I think ultimately his unerring sense of loyalty to Ron Wilson was probably his ultimate undoing. Then again, he ended up hiring an even worse coach after sacking him.


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I think time and numbers(unless I misinterpreted them) have shown that Ron Wilson did pretty well with what he was given considering that he was given some frigging awful goaltending.

The biggest problem with the Kessel deal(arguments about rushing the rebuild and making the deal in the first place aside) was that Burke should have protected 1 or both 1st rounders from either falling out of the playoffs or at the least falling into a lottery position. Whether Chiarelli refused because he figured that the Leafs would end up there and Burke couldn't convince him, or Burke was so confident(or arrogant) as to not think it was needed, or he just never even thought of it, Burke failed in that respect.

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Geez, what the hell did you do, Nazem?

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Shanahan ratting to the media means Kadri's been a problem for some time.

Gotta deal him this offseason, no? What's the point of rebuilding if you're going to hang on to the problem guys?

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Well this can't be good for his trade value so would think it more indicates they have plans for him.


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Well this can't be good for his trade value so would think it more indicates they have plans for him.

Yeah, if he was such a problem that you were forced to deal him you don't suspend him with only one month of academic games left to play. If you think you can fix him and this will straighten him out you try and deal with it now and hope he's better for it next year.

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