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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:44 am 
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Basically, goaltending and shooting %.

Next thing to compare is High Danger Scoring Chances for and against.

Up to Dec 2:

HSCF%: 49.8

http://war-on-ice.com/teamtable.html?ma ... blegroup=2


After Dec 2:
52.7

http://war-on-ice.com/teamtable.html?ma ... blegroup=2



No finish and bad goaltending.

Special teams?

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:50 am 
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Special teams are a mess.

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:58 pm 
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This team needs a no nonsense coach like Gerrard Gallant...

And Price.


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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:59 pm 
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E.L. wrote:
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The difference is simple: Carey Price.


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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:37 pm 
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Emergency Bergevin press conference today to say he's standing by the coaching staff and if anyone is to blame, it's the guy who put the team together.

Price will be out another three weeks at least, maybe a month.

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:28 pm 
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That's leadership. Proud of him.


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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:20 pm 
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E.L. wrote:
Emergency Bergevin press conference today to say he's standing by the coaching staff and if anyone is to blame, it's the guy who put the team together.

Price will be out another three weeks at least, maybe a month.


Isn't that the standard quote right before firing the coach?

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:58 am 
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While it's noble and all to take the blame, it's also been proven to be unwise to stick by a coach (who really doesn't have all that great a track record) when the team is struggling. This feels way too much like Burke staying loyal to Ron Wilson. Obviously this is a much better team than the one Wilson had in Toronto, which is all the more reason to consider a coaching change. If this were a proven veteran coach that's one thing, Therrien is not that guy.

Lou Lamoriello never hesitated to fire a coach, even when he flat-out admitted it was because of the players.


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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:34 pm 
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Av-merican wrote:
While it's noble and all to take the blame, it's also been proven to be unwise to stick by a coach (who really doesn't have all that great a track record) when the team is struggling. This feels way too much like Burke staying loyal to Ron Wilson. Obviously this is a much better team than the one Wilson had in Toronto, which is all the more reason to consider a coaching change. If this were a proven veteran coach that's one thing, Therrien is not that guy.

Lou Lamoriello never hesitated to fire a coach, even when he flat-out admitted it was because of the players.



At 5-on-5, this team is playing just as well as they were pre-streak. They are even getting a higher high-danger scoring chance %. Their shooting % is in the tank, so is that the coaches fault? Wilson got good 5-on-5 results from those Leafs teams, good enough to be in the playoffs. The Habs right now, like Ron Wilson in Toronto, are getting terrible fucking goaltending. That's on management. You obviously can't replace Price, but it's still on management.

If their special teams have gone in the toilet? Then yeah, there's some coaching issues for sure. There are historical reasons why they could have fired Therrien, but right now it's hard to point to his coaching during this stretch as the reason.

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:42 pm 
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It's tough to justify firing a coach barely into a long-term, expensive contract when Price is hurt and the GM's repeated dumpster dives for a top-six forward have failed miserably.

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:09 pm 
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He just needs to keep dumpster diving.
Eventually you'll find one

outside of the old Irwin toy factory...

In the old factory district, just south of parkdale

It will be full of metal poggs

Tripping balls on shrooms you'll jump in and discover the poggs are

Waist deep.

That's right. Waist deep metal poggs in a west end dumpster

While zooming on shrooms

Bruised by the wooden katana fight you just lost

In a guy's puppet studio...

The sound of the poggs - millions of poggs

Colliding with each other

Colliding with the metal walls of a dumpster

Was it the true sound of moshing?

Some sort of cataclysmic classical symphony - the antithesis of Glenn Gould?

Nope. Just two white guys. High on shrooms. Dupmster diving - like scrooge Mcduck - in a bin of poggs outside of the Irwin Toy factory.

Yep.

You can find the coolest shit in dumpsters.

Ya just gotta know where to look.


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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:35 pm 
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Bosc wrote:
At 5-on-5, this team is playing just as well as they were pre-streak. They are even getting a higher high-danger scoring chance %. Their shooting % is in the tank, so is that the coaches fault? Wilson got good 5-on-5 results from those Leafs teams, good enough to be in the playoffs. The Habs right now, like Ron Wilson in Toronto, are getting terrible fucking goaltending. That's on management. You obviously can't replace Price, but it's still on management.

If their special teams have gone in the toilet? Then yeah, there's some coaching issues for sure. There are historical reasons why they could have fired Therrien, but right now it's hard to point to his coaching during this stretch as the reason.


Yes, Wilson was undone by shitty goaltending in Toronto. He was also undone by his own shitty coaching, as he was undone in his previous stints. He, like Therrien, is a pretty good "quick fix" coach who wears out his welcome in a hurry.

That said, yeah, the Habs clearly need better goaltending, but they also clearly need players who can bury their chances. Bergevin needs to be a little more bold--he's been quite conservative overall. Thing is, I can't help but wonder if Bergevin will really screw things up the minute he goes big.


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 Post subject: Re: Habs are struggling
PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:54 pm 
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The problem is also Therrien/Bergevin have been unwilling to put up with one-dimensional scorers. Because of the cap, not all your scorers are going to be pricey two-way stars, but the Habs would rather give a shot to a plugger (Weise) than a pure scorer who takes the odd shift off (Parenteau).

Briere and Parenteau could have helped, and actually produced considering their limited opportunities. Shipped out for not being "character" guys.

Kassian could have worked, but I understand their decision to trade him given the strict guidelines he was given. (Plus they needed Scrivens.)

Sekac has potential, showed it at times. Eventually dealt for a player who simply doesn't belong in the NHL. Sekac did nothing in Anaheim, now in Chi.

Not sure what to make of Semin. Still think he could have helped the wretched powerplay.

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are imploding
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Updated the thread title.

Good gravy: back-to-back 5-2 losses against the lowly Columbus Blue Jackets.

This team keeps reaching new lows, but haven't hit rock bottom yet. How much worse can this get?

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are imploding
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Some talking head on tsn said that the habs have 3 players from the two worst teams in the league last year and that these guys play like they played on the worst teams in the league...


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 Post subject: Re: Habs are imploding
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:36 pm 
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First thing's first: After All-Star weekend, bring back Sven Andrighetto and play him first or second line offensive minutes. It's a joke that he hasn't since they replaced Semin with no one.

Habs have only four forwards capable of generating offence regularly: Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Plekanec. And Pleks is doing zilch right now. The team needs Sven right now to finally lock up a lineup spot.

My post ASG lineup would be, assuming Max is ok to play:

Plekanec-Galchenyuk-Gallagher (not a mistake)
Pacioretty-Eller-Andrighetto
Desharnais-De La Rose-Weise (not a mistake)
Bournival-Mitchell-Flynn

Markov-Subban
Beaulieu-Petry
Emelin-Barberio

Condo

Basically, size up the middle. Pleks could use some time in a more offensive role.

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are imploding
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:47 am 
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Habs management has completely lost the plot. The team is losing and their solution is to bury Galchenyuk in favour of Desharnais. I can't believe how far this has slid.

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are imploding
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Bergy is a 4th line player hoarder.

Time for an intervention.


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 Post subject: Re: Habs are imploding
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:30 am 
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F**k this team and f**k that waste of a keeper pick Carey Price too.

I was more than happy to purchase this shirt when it went on clearance 3 weeks ago. Just in time to flush this turd!

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Would love to see them reach the point of trading off players like Subban....yes please!

On a non hostile note I find this to be a very disappointing turn of events in Habdom but it does coincide with Price being hurt and mismanagement.

I do feel for you folks as fans because it seemed like they were going in the right direction.

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 Post subject: Re: Habs are imploding
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:44 am 
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Saw a clip of Price skating around in sweats and even that looked difficult for the guy. he is a while away still and if they do not turn it around soon without him it will be too late with him...if it isn't all ready. Lousy Habs are going to go and bogart on one the top three picks I had counted for the Leafs in my head already so help me if they knock the Leafs Back a pick.


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