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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:31 pm 
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Pending UFAs: Hudler, Jones, Russell, Hiller and Ramo.

RFAs: Johnny (Yikes!), Monahan, Colborne, Jooris, Granlund.

Where do the Flames go at the deadline?

This one is pretty easy....If the Flames can unload a UFA to a contender have at it but the Flames don't have anything too appealing to deal. Definitely not buyers or sellers. I would expect the Flames to focus on extending qualifying offers to Gaudreau and Monahan and potentially fighting off suitors for Johnny. They then need to look for a goaltender in the offseason. Stand pat at the deadline.

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Flames have a big opportunity to lock up Johnny and Boring long-term with all that money coming off the books. Don't mess around with bridge deals.

I think Hudler and Russell could be pretty valuable rentals to a contender.

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All the UFAs should be dealt for whatever can be gotten. RFAs (except maybe Colborne) should be re-upped post-haste.

I'm guessing this team will be in the market for a starting goalie and head coach during the offseason.

Also, Treliving has to be considering a buyout of Wideman, but we'll see I guess.


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Oh, and Jimmy Howard will be a Calgary Flame starting next season. Bank on it.


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Av-merican wrote:
Oh, and Jimmy Howard will be a Calgary Flame starting next season. Bank on it.


That actually makes sense.

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E.L. wrote:
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Oh, and Jimmy Howard will be a Calgary Flame starting next season. Bank on it.


That actually makes sense.


Not with his current performance :x If it does, we won't be getting much back if anything. Might have to eat some cap space.

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Goalies trades don't usually amount to much anyway, do they? I mean, yeah, Varlamov netted a pick that ended up being Filip Forsberg, but I don't recall a goalie trade that usually snagged something big in return. I know Halak got then-prospect Lars Eller way back in the day, but I'd be surprised if Howard netted (pun somewhat intended) anything more than a backup goalie and a pick.


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Goalies trades don't usually amount to much anyway, do they? I mean, yeah, Varlamov netted a pick that ended up being Filip Forsberg, but I don't recall a goalie trade that usually snagged something big in return. I know Halak got then-prospect Lars Eller way back in the day, but I'd be surprised if Howard netted (pun somewhat intended) anything more than a backup goalie and a pick.


Highly dependent on if Toronto is your trading partner, I guess.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:36 pm 
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Karri Ramo done for the season.

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They were talking about Hudler managing to step it up in recent games, so his trade value should be fairly high, especially since DGB pointed out that this is absolutely a seller's market with so many teams on the bubble.


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Hiller is f'n terrible. Has to be a goalie.......their hands are tied.

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Whoever was talking about Hudler on NHL Radio also said Treliving is looking for a bigger body to play on that top line with Boring and Gaudreau, which actually makes a lot of sense. So...who do the Flames want? Kreider or Ladd could fill that role...and yes I know both are LWs but it can't be that hard to switch to the other side. Iggy isn't an option since he's little more than a power play specialist at this point.

One VERY intriguing name is Kyle Okposo...but he wouldn't be a cheap option, if he ends up an option at all.

Apart from that, some notable upcoming UFA wingers:

Eric Staal (he should be a winger at least)
Radim Vrbata
Loui Eriksson
David Perron
Milan Lucic
Mikkel Boedker
Kris Versteeg
Steven Stamkos (again, should be a winger, but he doesn't think he should be)

Oh...and some guy named Jagr.

It's a real shame David Jones's knees have been reduced to the consistency of Ferris Bueller post-credits scene Gummi Bears. He'd be the absolute perfect choice to play alongside those two in his prime.

Whatever happened to that one big dude who mowed down the kid in warmups? Is he still in the system?


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New rumo(u)r in Isles country- Berube (goalie) and Hamonic for TJ Brodie. Flames would drop about $250k overall, and get a good but unproven goalie & a very good NHL D-man. Hamonic would get his wish of going to a western conference team. I don't see what's in it for the Flames really. I mean, sure they'd get a goalie cheap for the rest of this year, but he's an RFA and if he does prove himself, the duo would be more $ next year than Brodie is this year, and the next 4 years he's signed for. He & Hamonic look pretty comparable overall, with Brodie having more offensive upside. Isles claimed Berube as cheap insurance in case Halak went down long term, and/or as trade bait.

Thoughts? Sounds like Isles-fan pipe dreams to me. As in, crack pipes.

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A more sensible trade IMO would be something like Hamonic and maybe Okposo for Dougie Hamilton. I don't know why, maybe Dougie just doesn't do well in Hartley's system but so far he's been a big fat bust in Calgary. Now...mind you, he'd likely do well in another coach's system (I'm guessing Hartley gets fired sooner rather than later) but I think the Flames would be insane to give up on Brodie. Obviously Dougie's got more upside but Brodie has proven to be an excellent puckmover and he actually did really well in the #1 spot even after Giordano went down last season. Either way I think they'd be insane to deal Brodie.

Conversely, the Isles need a true #1 who can do it all. Dougie could be that guy, but it'd be a gamble. But I think Garth needs to do something to boost his roster in a big way, especially with Griffin Reinhart going bust. Of course that pins a LOT on the development of Dal Colle, and I'm not reading good things about him so far. The Isles have a really good team, but IMO if they stand pat they'll be also-rans in pretty short order.


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Av-merican wrote:
A more sensible trade IMO would be something like Hamonic and maybe Okposo for Dougie Hamilton. I don't know why, maybe Dougie just doesn't do well in Hartley's system but so far he's been a big fat bust in Calgary. Now...mind you, he'd likely do well in another coach's system (I'm guessing Hartley gets fired sooner rather than later) but I think the Flames would be insane to give up on Brodie. Obviously Dougie's got more upside but Brodie has proven to be an excellent puckmover and he actually did really well in the #1 spot even after Giordano went down last season. Either way I think they'd be insane to deal Brodie.

Conversely, the Isles need a true #1 who can do it all. Dougie could be that guy, but it'd be a gamble. But I think Garth needs to do something to boost his roster in a big way, especially with Griffin Reinhart going bust. Of course that pins a LOT on the development of Dal Colle, and I'm not reading good things about him so far. The Isles have a really good team, but IMO if they stand pat they'll be also-rans in pretty short order.


Giving up (in a trade) and giving up on are very different things!

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Giving up (in a trade) and giving up on are very different things!


Fair point, that was bad wording. I should say that Brodie, for whatever reason, is a very good fit for Calgary. Dougie so far, isn't. I think the Flames would be losing more giving up Brodie in the trade than they would Dougie...of course this opinion comes with very little analysis behind it.

I don't have the fancy stats in front of me, but as I understand it Brodie drives play like crazy, Hamonic is good but not as good as Brodie. Of course if you put Hamonic in behind that dominant Brodie/Gio pairing you'd see him play at a higher level IMO.

The minus of this scenario would be that between Gio and Hamonic, you'll probably get one complete season's worth of games.


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The Reinhart deal was this year, so the Isles didn't pick Dal Colle with that one (Isles took Barzal in 1st & Mitchell Stephens in 2nd with the Reinhart return). But your info on Dal Colle is out of date. He was "sucking" early on this year with Oshawa (8 G, 17 A in 30 games), but has been on fire since getting traded in juniors. He lead Oshawa last year to the Memorial Cup, then started this year in a major slump. Probably bummed about being sent back to juniors. Then after being traded to Kingston he's 20 G & 17 A, in 18 games. Slump officially over. I'm not sure if he'll make the Isles or Bridgeport next year, but he's going to help the Isles soon.

Hamonic & Okposo for Hamilton? That's a lot to give up for a kid playing way below potential. And why would the Calgary want an impending UFA, especially one who wants like $7 million/season? I think getting Berube would make way more sense for Calgary's needs. Not that any of us have a say in this. :lol:

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Av-merican wrote:
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Giving up (in a trade) and giving up on are very different things!


Fair point, that was bad wording. I should say that Brodie, for whatever reason, is a very good fit for Calgary. Dougie so far, isn't. I think the Flames would be losing more giving up Brodie in the trade than they would Dougie...of course this opinion comes with very little analysis behind it.

I don't have the fancy stats in front of me, but as I understand it Brodie drives play like crazy, Hamonic is good but not as good as Brodie. Of course if you put Hamonic in behind that dominant Brodie/Gio pairing you'd see him play at a higher level IMO.

The minus of this scenario would be that between Gio and Hamonic, you'll probably get one complete season's worth of games.



The whole slide at the beginning of the season was due to Brodie being out....I didn't want to believe it at first but at least with him back they have a solid pairing to compliment the bust that has been Dougie. He's been Dionesque. Trevling would be an idiot to get rid of Brodie.

The rest of the early slide has to belong on Hartley's shoulders. He stubbornly stuck to line combinations until right before Christmas and then it was too late.

I agree ship Hamilton off with that contract....he doesn't fit. And the money would be cleared for Okposo if he fits. Hamonic and Okposo are going to leave anyway....maybe all Dougie needs is a change of scenery.

I could see the Flames taking a flyer on Lucic for some reason......Hudler could go there. The rest of those UFAs are unappetizing.


They have to have a goalie if not now then in the offseason. I don't care if its Hrudey coming down from the announce booth....Hiller is beer league right about now.

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Y'know, I think Treliving did pretty well.

IN: F Hunter Shinkaruk, 2016 2nd rd pick, 2018 4th rd pick, D Jyrki Jokkipakka, F Brett Pollock, and a conditional 2016 2nd.

OUT: F Jiri Hudler, D Kris Russell, F Markus Granlund

So some decent assets for two upcoming UFAs and a 'meh' young center. That's not bad at all.


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Av-merican wrote:
Y'know, I think Treliving did pretty well.

IN: F Hunter Shinkaruk, 2016 2nd rd pick, 2018 4th rd pick, D Jyrki Jokkipakka, F Brett Pollock, and a conditional 2016 2nd.

OUT: F Jiri Hudler, D Kris Russell, F Markus Granlund

So some decent assets for two upcoming UFAs and a 'meh' young center. That's not bad at all.


Completely agree. As I said elsewhere the return for Russell was more than adequate.

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